EXCLUSIVE: Top Dem on House Intel “skeptical” of UAP whistleblower

The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee is “skeptical” of UAP whistleblower David Grusch’s claim that the federal government has recovered “intact and partially intact vehicles.”

Rep. Jim Himes (D-CT) was on the dais two years ago when Congress held its first congressional hearing on UAPs (aka UFOs) in more than 50 years. 

During his five minutes of questioning, Himes was assured by Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray and Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security Ronald S. Moultrie that the government has never recovered organic or inorganic UAP material.  

“I was assured by all of the various units that there was no material,” Himes told me while waiting for an elevator, along with more than a dozen of his colleagues, in the Capitol basement last Wednesday. “No organic or inorganic material that they were hiding or anything else, so I’m skeptical.” 

Below is a transcript of my latest interview with Himes (conducted on 6-21-2023) for paid subscribers. It becomes available to all within 48 hours of publication.

Matt Laslo: “Curious, is your committee—how are you guys dealing with that UAP whistleblower?”

Jim Himes: “We haven’t really done anything with it yet. Staff is sort of looking into the situation, but we haven’t done anything officially with it yet.”

ML: “Their claims are pretty out of this world.”

JH: “I mean, you know, we did hearings on this less than two years ago.”

ML: “Yeah.”

JH: “And you know, I was assured by all of the various units that there was no material.”

ML: “Yeah.”

JH: “No organic or inorganic material that they were hiding or anything else, so I’m skeptical.”

ML: “Yeah.”

JH: “But, you know, we’ll ask the questions.” 

ML: “But now he’s claiming there are SAPs that are hidden from Congress.” 

JH: “Yeah, I know, I saw the claims.”

ML: “Yeah, but that one?” 

JH: (inaudible as he enters packed elevator) 

ML: “Preciate ya.”